http://ahmedi.org/blog/blog1.php/2009/06/09/a-dispassionate-view-of-qaza-department#more78
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AlRaqeeb |
A very informative article about Qaza department of Ahmadiyya Jamaat |
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Posts: 629 06/09/09 19:25:48 Moderator |
This is a very informative,
objectively written article about Ahmadi Qaza department, exposing its corruption and inaptness
http://ahmedi.org/blog/blog1.php/2009/06/09/a-dispassionate-view-of-qaza-department#more78 |
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Jalal |
Darul Qaza, A beautiful effective system which works | #1 | ||
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Posts: 1 06/11/09 04:29:32 |
Bismillah hirama-niraheem
I think author does not understand the reasons why these courts were established the high standards of the judges which govern these courts. Judges are
usually very highly qualified people from Jamia Ahmadiyya, Lawyers and intellectuals.
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Ahmadi |
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Posts: 11 06/11/09 11:36:21 |
Thank Mr Jalal for your information. But I understand that author did not want to ask about the definitions and functions of Dar-Al-Qaza, but she is looking for the facts behind the functions of Qaza and the corruption of Qaza, the comparison of facilities provided by Nizam-a-Jammat to Qaza and to Wasiet department. So come to this point and answer her and don't tell the definition stories. i am feeling that she is very right in her analysis .And this analysis is enough to open the eyes of us as now it's our requirement that we have to know that what is going in our Jammat. the word '' high standard judges'' is not enough for its explanation so write that this is the minimum qualification of the judges and they all are already gone through from ''sahiah-sittah'' (seven books of Hadiet), and they have very strong moral and emotional background etc what so ever you want to discribe, but plzz dont tell the stories and write the true facts that ,are the judges corrupt or not , i think ahe ask in her letter that are The Ahmadiyya courts slaves or not, is it in beneficial for an Ahmadi or not, is judiciary in ahmadia religion is independent or not, these ahmadia courts are forced court or volunteer courts? Etc. so tell the truth to the peoples not tell the hand written stories of old age rather than this tell the truth of new age
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AKShaikh |
DARUL QAZA - A VERY BEAUTIFUL EFFECTIVE SYTEM | #3 | ||
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Posts: 1 06/12/09 04:53:41 |
Mr. Ahmadi
Assalamo alaikum warahmatullahe wabarakatuhoo. However JALAL Sahib“s reply is very detailed and enough, although, i will try to reply your quirries: 1. there is nothing behind the functions of Qaza and nobody is Corrupt in Qaza system. -Qazies are always MUTTAQI and learned perons. - there are no facilities given to QAZIES ( They are also the same workers as others) (I know very well, how Chief Qazi came to his office on his bicycle, his salaray is same as other workers. His living standard is also same and there is no difference between him and other workers). If you mean to comparison our Qazi to a High Court Judge or Supreme Court Judge, YOU ARE THEN MR AHMADI !!!!!! just ignorant person, and you dont have any knowledge about our Community. 2. "High Standard judges" means, A QAZI OF HIGH STANDARD TAQWA A Qazi of High standard fair decisions A Qazi of High standard moral character. A Qazi of High Standard Fear of Allah. A Qazi of High Standard Obedience of Allah, Hazrat Muhammad and Quran etc. ........................ 3, These judges are not corrupt, but they are only God fearing and MUTTAQI peoples. 4. The Qazies are independent and no influence can change their decisions. I know very well, how in an European country some years ago, an Ahmadi who was expelled from Jamaat (IKHRAJ AZ NIZAM E JAMAAT) appealed to Qaza Board and Qaza Board decided in his favour (Normally this punishment is from Khalifatul Masih) This Qaza system was introduced to the Jamaat for their benefit. Some people cannot go to Government Courts for the lake of expenses. So they can (not must) approach Qaza system for their disputes.If somebody does not like the decision of the Qaza, he can appeal against the decision to KHALIFATUL MASIH. But if firstly, somebody approaches Qaza and then after the decision he does not appeal to Khalifatul Masih against the decision, but he criticises the decision in public or in newspapers, then according to me he or she is MUNAFIQ. becuase, firstly he showed his confidence about Qaza and after the decision (which he or she does not like) he showes his hate about the Qaza, In simple words QAZA system in our Community is very effective system, but only for pure Ahmadies. Weak Ahmadis are dishearted not only in Qaza system but also in other departments. SHAIKH |
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AlRaqeeb |
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Posts: 630 06/12/09 06:41:26 Moderator |
Welcome to the forum Mr. AKShaikh. In future please use a different nickname as we already have a very well known and famous Mr. A. K. Shaikh and you are not
that person. You must use another nickname to express your views.
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Ahmadi |
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Posts: 12 06/12/09 10:24:55 |
Mr AKShaikh you are a using the name of famous personality and presenting yourself as real Mr A.K.Shaikh. So
first of all kindly see your this deed, is it not cheating, lying and MUNAFIKISM.
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Jalal |
Fear Allah or be prepared for his displeasure. | #6 | ||
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Posts: 2 06/19/09 03:48:31 |
Mr Raqeeb, If someone loves God then he will accept Qaza decisions open heartedly even if he firmly believe that decision was wrong. He obeyed the teachings of GOD and Allah is going to give him justice this world or the next one. A true Ahmadi remains patient and leans towards the Allah and leaves the matter in Allah's hand. Those who want to take the matter in their hand they loose the peace in this life. Please also do notice the name of article writer and every body will know that some monafiq tried to disguise.
Fear Allah or be prepared for his displeasure. If you want to learn about the teachings fo Islam Ahmadiyyat then go to www.alislam.org
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Ahmadi |
Mr Jalal kindly relax and try to face the reality that you have no answer for the raised points | #7 | ||
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Posts: 14 06/19/09 06:59:02 |
How Mr. Jalal claims that he/she is the final authority or presenting Almighty ALLAH at earth by His direct order?
I read the comment of Mr. Jalal for the author of this article. Ok it's the matter between the author and Mr. Jalal. But I am surprised that how Mr. Jalal claims that he is presenting Almighty ALLAH at earth, as he is saying the author should be ready for displeasure of God. I don't know what author would say but I fully understand that now when
Jammat found no answer in response of the article (its mean its true article and true points raised) then Jammat tried to make theocratic threat as every
answer-less person made at the time of retreating. We all know that these kinds of comments by Mr. Jalal are not good and even none true comments on a true article. Its looking more appropriate that if Mr. Jalal provides the answers of points raised in this articles regarding Qaza. And as Mr Jalal said, as any body can say that when the cruelness by Qaza stands at high ups and creates fearful danger for all Jammat then Almighty ALLAH wants to reduce it to save the Jammat thatwhy all this happens. Still I will say it's the matter between Mr. Jalal and the Author of the article but I will advice the Mr Jalal that kindly read the Quran with Translation. Then defiantly he will come to know that what is truth and for how many times Almighty ALLAH orders to standing for truth
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Ahmadi |
what is actually allowed for Qaza and what is not allowed for Qaza? | #8 | ||
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Posts: 15 06/19/09 08:48:31 |
Again I am saying that it's the matter between you and the author of the article but one question come in my mind kindly tell me that If Qaza decided that there are three prayers from now by the decision of Qaza, if Qaza decided that sexual relation with out marriage are allowed, if
Qaza decided that the president of Sadar Anjmun will be the head of Jammat and by order Qaza the Khalifa is going to be removed, if Qaza decided that the
prayer of Fager can be offered at 12 at noon, if Qaza decided that all Ahmadis should be given their half of total money which they have to Jammat
immediately other wise they will be considered Munafik , if Qaza decided that from now not a single Ahmadi will go to school and all Ahmadis children will go
to Jamia-Ahmadia, if Qaza decided that all the decisions will based on Hadise and Qaza will not follow the Quran then Mr Jalal
what you think Ahmadis will accept this Qaza or not, if not then as according to your statements they all will become
Munafik. So it's your decision that you want a well defined prescribed set of rules for Qaza or want to
leave.
So don't say Munafik to that author of the article and all other Ahmadis who brings the weaknesses of Qaza in front of all Jammat. Just try to bind Qaza that Qaza do as Quran Directed and not to do as their worldly thinking directed.
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abcde |
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Posts: 4 06/22/09 06:31:11 |
@ AHMADI......
1.....mr , u r saying to AKSHIEKH that he is using another person's name... can u tell me that what ur nick "ahmadi" means.....????????? Y U R USING SAME NAME AS THAT OF COMMUNITY OF AHMADiYYAT..!!! 2...... JANAB, what u think of QAZA BOARD...???? it is not a worldy organizataion ....... kah, kal ko woh yah b kah dian or woh b kah dain........???? all things r same as that in ISLAM... nothing is less.... |
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abcde |
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Posts: 5 06/22/09 06:56:54 |
@ madam faiza and all members here :
i will answer ur poinst one by one .....!!! regarding ur point 1 = :"" well, as i said in OTHER THREAD IN SAME Community that, BAD PEOPLE CAN B EVERY WHERE,.... they may b many there... WE CAN;T ASSESs THAT A PARTICULER PERSON IS RIGHT OR WORNG, AS ITS ALLAH'S AND THAT PERSON'S MATTER. WE R NO ONE TO OBJECT TO OTHE RPERSON "AMMANI " HAALAT....... so , if u see some one working againsgt law's. JUST REPORT HIM to HIGHER AUTHORTIES.... BUT WHAT U R DOING THAT ....GOING TO 3RD MOHALLAH FOR SOULTION OF UR PROBLEM....... IS IT LOGICAL....???? TRY TO SOLVE UR PROBLEMS IN UR OWN PRESCRIBED LIMITS..... REGARDING ur point 2: = : "" well, U TOTALY GET OUT OF TOPIC DETAILS....... i think, THE TOPIC NAME IS "A very informative article about Qaza department of Ahmadiyya Jamaat " , SO DOES IT "WASIYAT" SOUNDS RELIVENT TO TOPIC.....????? REGARDING ur point 3: = : "" WELL, can u give us more details that what is hidden form ordinary Ahmadies...???? as far as i know, all concerned people know about TOTAL ADMINSTRATIVE STRUCTURE OF jaMMAT EACH AND EVERY DEPT......! REGARDING ur point 4: = : "" WELL.... give us proper examples...... "" as i told u that bad people can b every where... U DO NEED TO REPORT THIS TO CONCERNED AUTORITIES RATHER THEN TO CALLING 3RD PARTY FOR UR HELP...!!! DO U KNOW Y JAMMAT AHMADIYYA IS MADE BY ALLAH,..?? WHAT U R DOING IS THAT , SINGH PROVINCE HAS SOME DIFFERENCES WITH punjab pROVINCES, so iNSTEAD GOING TO ISLAMABAD , IT GO TO INDIA TO DO JUSTICE....!!! OH JANAB, PHLY DO UNDERSTND THAT WHAT nizam e jammat ACTUALY SAY,, THEN GO OUT.... very bad logic ..!~! |
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abcde |
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Posts: 6 06/22/09 07:10:25 |
REGARDING ur point 5, 6: = : ""]
well u r objecting on a persons PERSONAL NEGATIVES NOT ON board..... (WHICH ALSO SERVE AS A REFERNCES POINT TO answer to objectiON by onotheR person here in other hEre that nizam e jammat is disfunction... ) SO THERE IS NOTHIGN WRONG IN ACTUAL qaza GUIDE LINES ....!! well, my answer is same that REPORT THOSE WORNG INCIDENTS...... as i f some QAZI IN PAKISTAN ISLAMIC IDEOLOGICAL COUNCIL ( OFFICIAL GOVT SHARIYAI ADALAT OF PAKISTAN ) DOES SOME THING WRONG,, WHAT THAT" MEANS .. IS QAZI OF THAT ADALAT IS WORng OR ISLAMIC NIZAM OS WRONG>>>....>????? REGARDING ur point 7: = : ""] as far as i know, max things r computerized....!!!! well, my sincerest advise that....... sahi jagah or sahi baat kernay sy problems hal hotay hein,.,... un ka dhandora peetnay sy kuch nai hota....!!! as SAME SUBJECT IS THERE IN Quran also that do dialogue to minimize differences... RATHER THEN MAKING THEM MORE,....{ I DON;T REMEMEBR THE REFERNCE,S ONLY SUMMARY IS GIVEN }. REGARDS |
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Ahmadi |
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Posts: 25 06/22/09 10:45:11 |
I am surprised that you are also here Mr abcde, might be you are every where and appointed by Jammat to defend the jammat`s point of view and to present the
jammat point of view to dilute the worth of article.but how can truth become diluted with such a comments which you writes. Well I gave my comments on this
topic so I will continue it
I will not go in the details which you are providing in response of Madam Faiza`s article because your answers are not fulfilling the demands of questions which are raised by the autho of the article. But I will simply say that you also need to read the history of Islam. In one case when some one ask Huzur-a-Anwar Muhammad Mustafa (P.B.U.H) to leave the defaulters then Huzur (P.B.U.H) also said that Before you people, the nations destroyed due to the reason that when some influential person done some wrong job then leave the matter with relaxation but when some weak person done some out of law job then hold with maximum strictness. If Qaza is not working properly then as according to the saying of Huzur -a-Anwar Muhammad Mustafa (P.B.U.H), we are going on the way of destruction. Now this matters concerns with all Ahmadis that we sense it that are we going of good way and the way of Almighty ALLAH or not. Independent judiciary is the key element to show that the way is right. If there is no independent judiciary then the on going way is wrong. Mr abcde try to learn more.
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AKShaikh |
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Posts: 2 06/26/09 04:25:52 |
Mr. Alraqeeb and Mr. Ahmadi
Assalamo aliakum to all I have ID as AKshaikh1 for a long time. and your so called favourite knows it very well. I had with him a long discussions about ID and about his objections. But he is in Quranic words SUMUN BUKMUN UMYUN . So dont suggest me to change my ID but you must request your so-called favourite to change his ID...... Now Mr. Ahmadi something about your Idiot comments: I dont understand that how a JAHIL person can come to discuss an issue. You wrote "If Qaza decided that there are three prayers from now by the decision of Qaza, if Qaza decided that sexual relation with out marriage are allowed, if Qaza decided that the president of Sadar Anjmun will be the head of Jammat and by order Qaza the Khalifa is going to be removed, if Qaza decided that the prayer of Fager can be offered at 12 at noon," Mr. Ahmadi you dont know the Islamic system of Qaza and IFTA. The fears you have and you did mention in your reply have nothing to do with QAZA, but these points if necessary can be discussed by IFTA. Qaza decides about the disputes between two private parties. Qaza dont decide about SHARIAT. Maybe in your religion QAZI or Maulvi gives such decisions. As suicide bombing a favourite Islamic Service for you and your Maulvis. But as said, Qaza decides about disputes between two private parties and IFTA decides about the complications (if any) in Shariat. If you wish to have 3 prayers or if you wish namaz Fajar prayer at 12 pm, you may (accoring to your comments) contact to Federal Shariat Court of Pakistan. Mr. Jala Sahib has give a complete reply but you are unable to understand it. Mr. Ahmadi you are with fake ID. and fake IDEAS. you may think about your mental situation. |
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Ahmadi |
role of Qaza in History espacially after Caliph iv (Hazrat Ali R.A) | #14 | ||
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Posts: 31 06/26/09 05:19:14 |
Thank you Mr Number 2 AKShaikh for your comments about Qaza system, IFTA system and about me and AlRaqeeb.
as we know that that your anger is base less because you did not provide the answers of the raised questions in the article written about Qaza department. So kindly cool down and drink something which you often drink, and just think the answers for the article of Faiza Luqman. As for as my raised points are concerned then it's not for you it's for those people who have active brain and they have ability to deep thinking and rethinking. For you theses raised points are useless just like SUMUN BUKMUN UMYUN. Don't waste time and your little energies for concentrating on my comments just spend time and energies to search the answers of the article written about Qaza department. I will suggest you to review the history about role of Qaza department and its decisions from beginning of Islam and especially when kingship established after Caliph iv (Hazrat Ali R.A) in Islamic societies and governments. Defiantly you will learn more by the grace of Almighty ALLAH. And then you will come to know that what I comment, was logical regarding the Qaza Department. So be cool and be calm and try to resolve the arising matters between Qaza and common Ahmadis, actually here your mind and energies needed. Just start the work, May Almighty ALLAH blesses you with wisdom and knowledge.
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Posts: 45 09/21/09 10:35:07 |
We Ahmadies are demanding to jammat leadership that they have to taken strong steps towards independent juducial system. if they dont then then our leader
would be those who would make independent judicial system
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Ahmadi |
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Posts: 50 09/23/09 05:20:48 |
Still common Ahmadi have time to register his/her protest aginst the corruption of Qaza department because
1) its our moral duty 2) any one among us can become a victum of such corruption at any time 3) the base of power is a common ahmadi not the officers of jammat. so my dear ahmadi brothers and sisters its the right time and right place and right event to register your feelings, and protest against the Qaza department to the top leadership of Jammat. and after registering this also follow your letter and dont step down untill and unless you got satisfactory answer in shape of correct actions. no one can take your basic rights like justice, away from you . Good Luck , May Almighty ALLAH Bless us and Help us in fulfilling our duties. |
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Mulla Do Plaza |
Qaza is not Judiacial system | #17 | ||
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Posts: 559 09/23/09 16:03:44 Registered Member |
Ahmadi, I understand your frustration but writing letters will not change anything. Qaza is not a judiciary. Jamaat cannot establish a parallel justice system.
IMHO, Ahmadiyya Qaza is an arbitration system that requires both parties to agree on Qaza's arbitration. Many Ahmedies refuse to accept Qaza arbitration
and they cannot do any thing. Mostly committed Ahmedies (Mukhlseen) go to Qaza. Many such people accept the unfair decision due to the fear of Jamaat's
action to expel them but some do rebel. I have seen Qaza trigerred many defections in Jamaat. An unjust system is its own worst enemy.
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Posts: 51 09/24/09 08:39:30 |
Dear all its my moral duty after reading this article to try to wake every reader up.
The efficient and sensible way for this purpose is to give our views and register our protest on this website against the corrupt system of Qaza department. I agree on the statement of my brother Mulla Do Plaza that '' An unjust system is its own worst enemy''. This is the thing we need to realise every Ahmadi that our rights are grabbed by Qaza system and those which are behind the Qaza department. On the basic of humanity all other members of this website makes us strengthen on this issue because we all are human first and we all have right to live with our basic fundamental rights .i.e. justice is one of them. In a life of every one its well establishes principle for all, that is that today you help us tomorrow we will help you and wise versa. |
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