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Posts: 633 06/20/09 16:14:40 Moderator |
An ahmadi writes about ever increasing greed of the Ahmadiyya chanda system imposed by its corrupt leadership.
http://ahmedi.org/blog/blog1.php/2009/06/20/chanda-system-of-ahmadiyya-jamaat#more80 |
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Ahmadi |
Its genuine article which open the eyes very bravely | #1 | ||
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Posts: 20 06/21/09 06:16:06 |
Dear AlRaqeeb we Ahmadis are thankful to you for publishing such an informative article on Chanda system.
I read all this and found that the questions are really genuine. And being an
Ahmadi I never ever even thought about that, but this letter is asking me to think and think and ask them from authorities. And Inshallah I will do ask because it's the matter of religion and matter of our faith and it's not an ordinary matter or such a
matter which can be easily ignored. But I will also have a look on this comment page that if any one gives their answer. I am also thankful to the author to produce such a reasonable article which opens our eyes about this Chanda system.
GOD Bless the author.
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Posts: 634 06/21/09 21:14:05 Moderator |
Thank you brother. You must have noticed that many articles appearing on our website are from anonymous ahmadies. These ahmadies are well aware of the serious
internal problems of the jamaat but have no way of expressing their concerns regarding this sad state of affairs. They therefore come to this website which is
very wrongly and dishonestly portrayed by the jamaat leadership as anti-ahmadiyya. The only bad thing we do is provides opportunity to all ahmadies to express
their views freely and fearlessly. We honor and protect the privacy of our contributors and give them full freedom to express their views even if their views
differ substantially from ours.
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Ahmadi |
this website is blessing for Ahmadis to express their true views regarding Jammat system | #3 | ||
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Posts: 24 06/22/09 01:24:37 |
You are very right Brother; yes it's the real website that provides the opportunities to as Ahmadis for expressing their
views with out fear. You and your team are doing a noble job. May Almighty ALLAH bless you. All
the Ahmadis knows that Nizam-a-Jammat is only against you people due to publishing the true articles about internal situations of Jammat. If Jammat want to stop these kind of articles then they have to make serious correction in their adoptive system, because no one can point out any
one if he/she is on right direction. As Jammat system claims lots of time, that the freedom for giving views are
the right of every person at earth. It's the time for thinking and rethinking for Nizam-a-Jammat that Ahmadis
are now open their eyes
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website is blessing for Ahmadis to express their true views regarding Jammat system .
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Posts: 1 06/22/09 05:20:09 |
Aslamalikum to all....!~! very sorry to say but its a fact that i am quite astonished at the knowledge level of TOPIC STARTER and then the VIEWS posted inthis
categories......!!!! o bhaiyo, first have the full knowledge of a subject then come up to object to it.....!!! CAN ANY ONE OF U TELL ME THAT < WHAT IS
HISTORY OF "CHANDA" in JAMMAT AHMDIYYA.. ?? WHAT IS PURPOS THAT ALLAH made it compuslsory for every MUSLIM to pay in his path ..????? i think u
should first have full information about ISLAM ..???? ZAKAT system then COME UP AND OBJECT ON GREAT donation (chanda) SYSTEM OF jammat AHMADIYYA.. WHICH IS
IMPROVING DAY BY DAY WITH THE BLESSING OF ALMIGHTY ALLAH...!!! IN MY NEXT POST , I WIL GIVE U SOME HISTORY AND DETAILS ABOUT JAMMAT AHMADIIYAA CHANDA SYSTEM...
TILL THEN, ONLY ONE LINE... it is said in quran THAT : "Never shall you attain to righteousness unless you spend out of that which you love; and whatever
you spend, Allah surely knows it well." (3:93). ONE MORE THING.... its clearly said that... too extend u spend , more u get form Allah almighty...!!! so ,
no question that , Y THIS MUCH IS IMPOSED ON US..!!!!
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CONTINUED... | #5 | ||
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Posts: 2 06/22/09 05:25:45 |
have a good look over here,. THE CONDTiON IS that read the full article>>> AND THEN SEE THAT FOR WHAT PURPOSE THE CHANDA IS TAKEN< tell me ONLY ONE
THING , which is against SHARIYHA..
http://www.alislam.org/books/pathwaytoparadise/LAJ-chp7.htm { The Ahmadiyya Movement is a spiritual Organization which is not involved in any kind of worldly business. Its activities depend solely on the donations of its members. This concept of sacrifice was introduced by the Promised Messiah himself. Every program of the Jamaat, including Muslim Television Ahmadiyya, construction of mosques, publishing of Islamic literature, is funded by the financial sacrifices of Ahmadi Muslims. Each time the Khalifatul Masih has announced a new scheme, men, women, and children have rushed forward with donations of money, jewelry, and other possessions so that they may be blessed by Allah. VARIOUS CATEGORIES OF DONATIONS ] Contributions made to the Jamaat by its members are called chanda and fall into different categories. Some chandas are compulsory and some are voluntary. Some chandas have a fixed rate, and some have no limit; it is up to the donor to give what he can. The giving of voluntary chandais the source of great blessings, but there is no compulsion in giving. Those members who are facing financial hardship may give compulsory chandasat a reduced rate but only after obtaining the permission of Hadhrat KhalifatulMasih. The following lists the compulsory chandas of which the major voluntary ones are: Zakaat, Fitrana, Chanada Aam, Wassiyat, Jalsa Salana, Tahrike Jadid, Waqfe Jadid, Auxiliary Organization Membership, Sadqa, Eid Fund, and Publications. A brief explanation and significance of these donations is given below: 1. Zakaat Zakaat is one of the five pillars of Islam. In the Holy Qur'an, God has repeatedly urged the believers to pay Zakaat for the purification of their souls. Those who have capital in the form of cash, jewelry, bullion not used for one full year are required to pay at the rate of one fortieth (1/40) of the value of the goods. 2. Fitrana Fitrana is a compulsory donation made at the end of the Holy month of Ramadhanto be distributed to the poor. This donation is based on the sunnahof the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him. The suggested rate is $4.00 per person and should be paid before Eid. 3. Chanda Aam (Regular subscription) This basic donation was established by the Promised Messiah himself and is compulsory for every earning member of the Ahmadiyya community. The payment ratio is 1/16 of one's income from all sources after taxes and compulsory insurance. The Chanda Aamyear is from 1st July to June 30th. 4. Wassiyat(Will) Wassiyat is the making of a will in the favor of the Community, pledging 1/10 to 1/3 of one's total assets to the Jamaat at the time of one's death. A person who has pledged Wassiyat is known as a Moosiand must also donate 1/10 to 1/3 of his earnings yearly instead of chanda aam.This scheme was set up by the Promised Messiah under Divine Revelation. This is a voluntary pledge and carries other conditions with it. 5. Jalsa Salana (Annual Gathering) This donation is also compulsory and is used exclusively for the expenses of the Annual Convention held at the national level. The prescribed rate is 1/120th of one's annual income from all sources. 6. Tahrike Jadid This scheme is responsible for the opening of new Missions and construction of mosques throughout the world. It was launched by Hadhrat Khalifatul Masih II
in 1932, who urged members to lead a simple life, cut down even on their meals and donate as much as possible for the propagation of Islam in countries outside
of India and Pakistan. A little as a cent may be donated but the donor must resolve not only to pay it regularly but to try and increase it even by a cent
every year. The suggested rate is 1/5th of one's monthly income once a year, which is from 1st November to October 31st.
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Posts: 27 06/22/09 10:50:43 |
Mr abcde thanks for your efforts for explaining the view of Jammat leadership. But as a participating member, in my point of view
your explanation is just conforming us that there is forced and voluntarily, both the Chanda systems are existing in
Nizam-a-Jammat but whole of your explanation is not explaining the question arises in article by the author of the article.
Dear you are seeing whole matter with one eye, which is the single eye of Jammat. it is not fair kindly use your both eyes and give the answers of arising questions point by point. Your comments shows that might be you are newly converted in to Jammat, it's looking more appropriate that first make your knowledge level at that high extent and then create sense to understand the questions and then try to answer. It's a serious discussion forum and this matter of Chanda is also a religious belief matter so don't take it so lightly or make it joke. Don't mix up Chanda system with Zakat and Sadkaat for which Quran ask from Muslims , the Chanda system of Jammat have some distance with Sadkat and Zakat, coz Zakat is for Sahib-a-Nisaab and Sadkat is voluntarily. Kindly prove your Chanda system direct from Quran.
Might be lots of other Ahmadis also have the same views which I have regarding to all of your comments and your level of understanding about Chanda system and arising Questions. May Almighty ALLAH broke your long sleep and awake you for new and hopeful mornings regarding the sense of key & basic matters of believes I was also thinking like you and also your presenting material was looking charming to me but when I read this article and with the blessing of Almighty ALLAH, I got deep scene and I came to know that the reality about Chanda System is not like that as Jammat ever present. Now, being a member of Nizam-a-Jammat I can listen all this but can't believe on it until and unless I get satisfactory answers of the raised points about Chanda system.
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Posts: 1 06/23/09 03:12:59 |
Mr. ABCD.... don't mix up the Zakat with ur so called chanda system.....I can understand the mind of common qadiani, who grown up in a environment, where
their main aim of life is to pay upto date chanda. As for as I know, you have more than 35 kinds of chand's, which common ahamadi have to pay, but on the
other side if someone become MOOSI then he has to pay more and more....My brother you are giving example from quran, but on the other hand you are ignoring the
true essence of that ayat.....which quran is adressing all the muslims....not on the ummaties...and prophets and their families are exempted......as your
jamat....Mirza Qadiani used to present his so called wahi for Beheshti Maqbara.....to become moosi..... but all of his family is exampted to pay any
chanda...... HOW POOR U R... Think about it.....
MGA then played final shot.....by saying that me and my family are exempted from this (why they already got their so called Jannat certificate from shaitan).........or they don't sant to show their property or income to the common qadianees. This is the reason that present Khalifa of ur jamaat used to fly with charterd flight.....having brand new lemozine or mercedez cars..... what a nice planning...which mirza ghulam qadiani did for his upcoming family...... well done mirza...well done....bad luck poor qadianees...bad luck....
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Posts: 5 06/23/09 13:24:06 |
Its totally bull***, the qadiani exempted his family.....what the hell is going on. Why would he do that.
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Posts: 1 06/24/09 13:58:58 |
Please Please Please
Can anyone ask to all head of jamat peoples why so much corruption and why ahmadi whom live in England are on council and take tax payers money and same time try work as self employed and do cabbing. Why jamt not take this issue and check whom is good and honest ahmadi and his earning is legal and he is honest with jamat and with british system. Know days even government have even bring MPs issue in pubilc and take all money which MPs misused. What jamat ahmadi do on these kind of issues . Please dont say jamat is clean and honest.. I see every day from top to bottom in jamat of ahmadis cheating system. Thing is where to complain. no system to complain. Just write a letter to Mr Masroor. How to track. I see everyday all ahmadi drive cab and live in council house and take money from council.. there are only 2% which have full time jobs or educated. Please ask jamat how may English people are converted to ahmadi as jamat in England from last 50yrs or more. All top memebers of jamat is making money from jamat and no control on this. Waste money on functions parties food etc. In future this kind of complains should be forward to local authority. Mr Masroor is head of ahmadi jamat all over and he should answer able to anything goes wrong in ahmadi jamat and he should be punish for anything his member do wrong or cheat a system. Anyone can please tell me Whom stolen £50000 from London Masque in southfield ? Why all security films delete for that day. whom order ? Anyone can tell us What is Mr Masroor monthly income does he pay tax or only he is allowed to collect gifts and cash from people. Please ahmadi people go and see living style of Mr Masroor son whom live with Mr Masroor and Mr Masroor Daughter Husband what life style he live. Are they pay tax. this is drama for and make money from people. Ahmadi jamat have to stop all this waste of money. Mr Masroor should work full time and then give time to ahmadi jamat. We use this service because we can hide over name. Jamt ahamdi have no setup for complain. If you wish to complain they will say write letter to Mr masroor and if he like then he will forward it to his staff. but if he not like it will go to bin. and no way to track your letter. no referance. We are happy and out of jamat. Sorry ahamdi brother and sisters I know where i can give my money. i am hapy to help my on brother and sisters and family uncle and cousins if they are poor first right is there. If we give to Ahmadi jamat then over money will go to Mr Masroor then he will spend where ever he like. and it will go to Hotels parties some time end up in stock market shares bounds. Ask jamat ahmadi last year 2008 London Jalsa whom stay in Brighton Hilton Hotel for 3 days and why jamat paid £4000 for them. Why so much money spend on parites and functions. Non of UK charity org is spending so much money on parties and functions.... Is this Mr Masroor own money he spend. or this is chanda money they took from us and spend. 1st Mr Masroor should spend is own money on Mta and parties and fuctions, Not only this.. lot more... Sorry ahamdi brothers and sisters i have a full rights to ask Mr Masroor and he should answer and if anything wrong Mr Masroor should correct it and if not them punish his staff. |
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Posts: 2 06/24/09 13:59:06 |
Please Please Please
Can anyone ask to all head of jamat peoples why so much corruption and why ahmadi whom live in England are on council and take tax payers money and same time try work as self employed and do cabbing. Why jamt not take this issue and check whom is good and honest ahmadi and his earning is legal and he is honest with jamat and with british system. Know days even government have even bring MPs issue in pubilc and take all money which MPs misused. What jamat ahmadi do on these kind of issues . Please dont say jamat is clean and honest.. I see every day from top to bottom in jamat of ahmadis cheating system. Thing is where to complain. no system to complain. Just write a letter to Mr Masroor. How to track. I see everyday all ahmadi drive cab and live in council house and take money from council.. there are only 2% which have full time jobs or educated. Please ask jamat how may English people are converted to ahmadi as jamat in England from last 50yrs or more. All top memebers of jamat is making money from jamat and no control on this. Waste money on functions parties food etc. In future this kind of complains should be forward to local authority. Mr Masroor is head of ahmadi jamat all over and he should answer able to anything goes wrong in ahmadi jamat and he should be punish for anything his member do wrong or cheat a system. Anyone can please tell me Whom stolen £50000 from London Masque in southfield ? Why all security films delete for that day. whom order ? Anyone can tell us What is Mr Masroor monthly income does he pay tax or only he is allowed to collect gifts and cash from people. Please ahmadi people go and see living style of Mr Masroor son whom live with Mr Masroor and Mr Masroor Daughter Husband what life style he live. Are they pay tax. this is drama for and make money from people. Ahmadi jamat have to stop all this waste of money. Mr Masroor should work full time and then give time to ahmadi jamat. We use this service because we can hide over name. Jamt ahamdi have no setup for complain. If you wish to complain they will say write letter to Mr masroor and if he like then he will forward it to his staff. but if he not like it will go to bin. and no way to track your letter. no referance. We are happy and out of jamat. Sorry ahamdi brother and sisters I know where i can give my money. i am hapy to help my on brother and sisters and family uncle and cousins if they are poor first right is there. If we give to Ahmadi jamat then over money will go to Mr Masroor then he will spend where ever he like. and it will go to Hotels parties some time end up in stock market shares bounds. Ask jamat ahmadi last year 2008 London Jalsa whom stay in Brighton Hilton Hotel for 3 days and why jamat paid £4000 for them. Why so much money spend on parites and functions. Non of UK charity org is spending so much money on parties and functions.... Is this Mr Masroor own money he spend. or this is chanda money they took from us and spend. 1st Mr Masroor should spend is own money on Mta and parties and fuctions, Not only this.. lot more... Sorry ahamdi brothers and sisters i have a full rights to ask Mr Masroor and he should answer and if anything wrong Mr Masroor should correct it and if not them punish his staff. |
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Posts: 2 06/24/09 22:03:28 |
ahmadilarki: Its nice to hear from you that you have a right to ask Mr. Masrrror and if anything wrong he should correct it and it not then punish his staff.
But can you tell me that if Mir. Masoor himself is involved in this game, then where you will go..........?
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Posts: 407 06/24/09 23:45:25 |
Proud Ummati wrote:Have Qadianis also adopted the belief of Shias that their Khalifas are infallible? If not then they are free to revolt against Masroor 
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Second Khalifa of Jammat said ..........not give him Chanda ........will make him down from khalifat | #13 | ||
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Posts: 30 06/25/09 00:20:16 |
Second Khalifa of Jammat said in his one speech that if some one
became Khalifa wrongly then it's on Ahmadis that Ahmadis don't cooperate with him as not
give him Chanda and these actions will make him down from khalifat
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Posts: 8 06/25/09 15:50:30 |
can you provide a reference?? |
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Posts: 635 06/25/09 19:24:11 Moderator |
Please sirs, while I thank you all from my heart for your kind support of the forum. I will most humbly request you not to use bold fonts and loud colors too
much. In my humble opinion these give the forum kind of immature look which is not fair.
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Posts: 32 06/26/09 10:02:57 |
Mr. rationalist , thanks ; i will search it again, years agao i read it in Alfazal about all this. so i will search it in the speaches of Kaliph 2nd.
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Posts: 36 06/27/09 12:32:31 |
after reading this article its concluded that
Andha system Chanda system, where are those schalors of Jammat Ahmadia who can answer this article. might be they are also answerless. then its the time to wake up Ahmadis. wake up from this blind faith system. wake up from deep sleep, Almighty ALLAH will strengthen you against this system. wake up, wake up. |
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Posts: 1 06/29/09 11:35:44 |
Salaam to all,
I just posting the translation of Verse from Quran its from Sur-Alinam (6:142) "And exceed not the bounds Surely, Allah Loves not those who exceed the bounds." If Allah is not permetting us to Exceed the Bound then why we are exceeding the Limit of Zakat which is 2.5 % according to Quraan. Think about it, i am attching the link from al-islam.org which is the translation oj that verse http://alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=159®ion=E2 Thank you so much |
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Posts: 10 06/29/09 19:20:47 |
I would love to read the reference. |
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